I am now 80% sure that I have lost my buds on Hoya desvoeuxensis, which is pretty disheartening, but it does at least show me that it is theoretically possible to flower it. To help assuage my bud loss on that Holy grail Hoya is a newly discovered peduncle and developing buds on Hoya stenophylla, which was not even on my radar as a possibility of flowering. Everyone please cross your fingers on this one for me!